Zero & Damaging Yields, Large Reward to Gold/Silver Traders; David Morgan: Right here’s Why You Should Shield Your self

Welcome to this week’s Market Wrap Podcast, I’m Mike Gleason.

Developing David Morgan of The Morgan Report joins me for one more great interview on the state of the metals and the markets. David talks about checking your premises as a metals investor and lays out the case for why it’s extra vital now than ever to not lose your nerve regardless of some lackluster value motion. He additionally discusses the modifications underway in our financial system, modifications that everybody must take discover of. So, don’t miss my dialog with our good pal David Morgan, the person they name the Silver Guru, developing after this week’s market replace.

Treasured metals markets tried to make some progress earlier this week. A lot of the precise value progress accrued to the white metals as gold lagged a bit.

Gold rallied as much as the $1,480 stage mid week earlier than retreating on Thursday. As of this Friday recording, gold trades at $1,467 per ounce, down $2 or 0.1% since final Friday’s shut.

Turning to the white metals, the silver market is displaying a slight weekly advance of 0.4% to deliver spot costs to $17.12 an oz. Platinum is unchanged on the week at $895. And at last, palladium is perking up once more and is posting a 3.4% achieve this week to come back in at $1,772 per ounce.

Markets haven’t reacted a lot to the impeachment circus enjoying out on Capitol Hill. Maybe traders sense that regardless of the deep partisan divisions being placed on public show, it’s will enterprise as standard on the subject of the large fiscal and financial points no matter whether or not President Donald Trump is impeached.

The truth is, lawmakers and the White Home managed to comply with a stopgap spending invoice on Thursday that averts a authorities shutdown. Politicians agreed to kick the can down the highway till December 20th, when the specter of a shutdown will loom once more if President Trump decides to play hardball with Congressional Democrats.

Trump signed the present spending invoice even supposing it contained no new border wall funding or any significant spending concessions from Democrats. The invoice will increase the already ballooning federal funds deficit.

In October the hole between authorities outlays and receipts grew by 34% from the earlier yr to $134 billion. The operating funds deficit for the final 12 months rose above the $1 trillion mark for the primary time in additional than six years.

Few in Washington or on Wall Road appeared to note or care. All people appears to assume deficits don’t matter so long as the Federal Reserve retains rates of interest low and stands prepared to purchase authorities bonds in limitless portions.

Fed chairman Jerome Powell has expressed considerations over the funds deficit and the unwillingness of elected officers to make accountable fiscal coverage selections. Powell could want to not be within the place of papering over rising federal debt, however he’s now successfully trapped in that function.

Minutes from the Federal Reserve’s October assembly have been launched on Wednesday. Fed officers expressed optimism concerning the financial outlook and pushed again in opposition to the concept of using destructive rates of interest within the occasion of a recession.

President Trump has expressed assist for destructive rates of interest. Some economists, together with former Fed chief Alan Greenspan, have stated destructive charges are prone to make their option to the US.

There was a transparent and observable correlation between the worldwide inventory of destructive yielding bonds and funding demand for gold. To some extent that correlation has pushed gold costs greater over the previous yr – although we haven’t seen the form of spike we would see if U.S. charges go under zero.

Onerous cash is clearly a superior retailer of worth when in comparison with nationwide forex devices that carry destructive yields.

We welcome the rise in public consciousness about sound cash that may certainly include accelerating forex debasement. However sadly some dangerous actors may also come out of the woodwork to attempt to benefit from folks in search of the security of gold and silver.

This week an organization referred to as Chase Metals was uncovered for working a scheme that focused Boomers and older Fox Information viewers particularly. The playbook was all too acquainted to us. It was basically a bait and change, excessive strain gross sales operation.

It goes like this: Spin a compelling narrative to potential clients about the necessity to personal treasured metals, then trick them into buying explicit kinds of cash that carry absurdly inflated mark-ups as in comparison with unusual bullion cash.

Victims of the Chase Metals scheme have been apparently led to consider that the silver cash they received pressured into shopping for carried some form of particular collectible worth. The reality is that the consumers overpaid by as much as 200% for silver bullion that wasn’t particular in any respect.

Coin schemers like these sadly give our {industry} a foul identify. However right here at Cash Metals Trade, we’re working to vary that. We’re dedicated to educating the general public about treasured metals, providing low-premium bullion merchandise, and offering trustworthy, no-pressure customer support. Our treasured metals specialists are usually not solely extremely educated, however they’re additionally not on fee, which means they don’t have a perverse incentive to robust arm clients into shopping for one thing that’s good of them, moderately than good for the investor – the exact opposite of the boiler room, closely fee primarily based gross sales construction at lots of the different outfits. As such we’re happy with the industry-leading status we have now constructed, one which earned us Precious Metals Dealer of the Year in the U.S. a few years again.

Effectively now, with out additional delay, let’s get proper to this week’s unique interview.

David Morgan

Mike Gleason: It’s my privilege now to welcome again our good pal David Morgan of The Morgan Report. David, it is good to have you ever on as all the time and we respect the time at this time. How are you?

David Morgan: Mike, I am effectively. Thanks for having me.

Mike Gleason: Effectively, we have had a major correction in treasured metals costs, particularly in silver, and I needed to get your ideas on that to start out out right here. To us, it seemed just like the bullion banks offered futures contracts to a lot of speculators who received keen on metals. Then as usually occurs, the speculators received taken out to the woodshed. Nevertheless, open curiosity seems to nonetheless be rising. We might have anticipated that to fall after a pair weeks of decrease costs and ache pushing these longs out of the market, so possibly one thing else is happening right here. What do you make of the current value correction and the place do you assume the markets is likely to be headed within the brief time period? Do you assume the promoting is likely to be over for now?

David Morgan: I don’t. I believe there’s in all probability extra so on the top. I imply, it is attainable that we get a elevate right here to do a pretend out from the longs, however I do not just like the construction of the Dedication of Merchants. Silver hit a couple of three-and-a-half yr excessive, which hit $19.65 which I consider was the highest of this spot market. And we have had a number of cases during the last six, seven, eight years the place the final day of buying and selling was the low decide for the yr within the metals. Historically they begin transferring up the top of the yr, however that is not been the seasonality for a few years now. So, I believe we will drift off decrease. It is attainable that the underside is in, I referred to as the 4 a couple of $1,450 on gold, a couple of 50% retracement from the $200 transfer that went from $1,350 to $1,550 when it lastly broke that six yr buying and selling vary and it is completed that. However but in trying on the CoT, I believe we in all probability going to see decrease earlier than we see greater.

Mike Gleason: Clearly one requested to form of verify it is verify their premises after a simply the lengthy interval, particularly in silver. Gold after all did attain that six yr excessive silver has by no means gotten to that time or we’ve not actually damaged out of the buying and selling vary. I am certain you are in all probability doing this on a regular basis, checking your premises and the place issues are, I imply is gold and silver nonetheless going to be an excellent place to be over the long term regardless of all of the consternation and the issue that we have seen over the previous few years?

David Morgan: Completely. I imply we’re going through one thing that is actually by no means been, taken place in financial historical past no less than what we all know of recorded historical past, and we’re seeing the demise of the age of empire. I imply mainly the whole lot was constructed on this technique, on cash and the cash system is definitely designed to fail from the beginning. You can’t have infinite rates of interest. And what it imply by that’s the, the exponential perform, the compounding of curiosity over and over and over. They will go to infinity ultimately. So, we have had changes and positively some very huge issues all through financial historical past. I imply there’s a number of that we will identify. The purpose is, I do not assume it is ever been one in every of this breadth and scope the place mainly you already know that 7 billion folks on the planet and only a few will come out unscathed. It is definitely not the top of the world, however there will likely be an adjustment and the way huge how exhausting and the way lengthy that adjustment is, nobody actually is aware of.

I believe the primary factor to do is to at least one, not panic and to appreciate that every one the wealth stays in place. I imply all of the agriculture, all the oil fields, all of the buildings, they’re all nonetheless there. However what takes place in a monetary adjustment, a forex reset, any phrases that you simply need to use, is that the possession modifications mainly. So, you’ve gotten lots of people that is likely to be over leveraged, and the over leverage will take them out of the sport so-to-speak. So, actual property investor that is on the margin, that is very leveraged, ready for, to illustrate hyperinflation to bail them out could have made the mistaken guess. There will likely be deflationary forces. It is inevitable due to the way in which capital markets are arrange. So, when the bond market begins to fail, rates of interest will begin to be pushed up and that may lower the worth of the bonds.

And since they’re so large and so broadly unfold out among the many monetary capital markets, they mainly contact the whole lot… pension plans, retirement financial savings, financial savings, even cash markets, the whole lot is mainly touched by the debt markets. There’s nothing that basically may escape it. So, that is one thing that had my eye on for years and I’ve all the time said that, watch the bond market that holds the keys to the dominion and the bond market actually begins to be questioned for its capability to not simply pay the curiosity, however what’s the actual worth one thing that may by no means be paid off, i.e. the nationwide debt? Then in some unspecified time in the future you may in all probability begin to see some motion within the bond market. I consider what occurred in my lifetime. I do not assume we have one other 5 years, however folks corresponding to myself and others earlier than me have made statements much like that after which they’re mistaken of their timing, and it’s totally troublesome to say when.

The truth is, I used to be listening to a podcast this morning as a result of I attempt finest to remain up on all of this and his forecast was like 2047 and I neglect the way it got here up with that quantity, but it surely by no means hurts to be early. And because the markets twist and switch the least valued belongings proper now, notably silver and gold, considerably relative to the S&P, the DOW, the true property market or the rest. So, each metals are undervalued, notably silver. So, whenever you purchase one thing undervalued and add it to your portfolio or stability or rebalance your portfolio is one thing we actually ought to take into account.

Mike Gleason: Actually, a key factors that you simply hit on there’s that it is by no means dangerous to be early. You undoubtedly do not need to be late. Being too early as will not be the of the world. Being too late is catastrophic.

It is clearly not been a complete lot of enjoyable for gold bugs lately. The Fed has returned to chopping rates of interest. They’re pouring tons of of billions into the repo markets they usually have launched a brand new program to buy treasury notes, which appears to be like suspiciously like Quantitative Easing. One would possibly assume all the stimulus together with the difficulty the Fed is attempting to handle within the repo markets would drive treasured metals’ costs greater, however that is not what occurred. For many traders the takeaway from all this extraordinary Fed coverage appears to be “purchase extra shares” and “there is not something to fret about.” Do you assume that’s the proper takeaway and may the Fed hold this celebration going some time longer?

David Morgan: Effectively, it is not the appropriate takeaway, but it surely definitely factors to the actual fact that there’s a lot of manipulation and management in these markets. I imply anybody that is subjectively trying on the info, as you simply said, sees that there is more cash printing happening. This repo factor is scarier than it appears to be like and but, the inventory market continues to make new highs. I am simply repeating again what you stated, however essentially all these info ought to result in greater treasured metals’ costs they usually do not. And why is that? And the reason is, as virtually anybody that is ever listened to me or any most individuals in your present would say, look, it is the paper paradigm that runs the futures markets. And that is how the costs decided. And till that’s damaged sufficient for the market to settle primarily based upon the bodily market, you’ve gotten the flexibility to mainly management the worth roughly.

And that is unlucky. Individuals hear that they usually get discouraged and he stated, effectively, you already know, why battle the Fed? I am simply going to be within the inventory market. I do not need to be the metals. However as we stated within the final phase, it is vital to be ready for what the eventuality is as a result of nothing grows to the moon. The Fed Isn’t all mighty, regardless that it might sound that approach at occasions, and we’re getting close to the top. I do consider, I do know that is actually robust to time, however I can not see it happening for much longer. Our debt is so excessive relative with the curiosity funds are, and that is with low rates of interest. If rates of interest get pushed greater as I outlined a second in the past that it is an increasing number of troublesome to service the debt. So, no, the basic info have in all probability by no means been extra vital for proudly owning some treasured metals.

And but the market is simply worn out. I imply it was a six yr buying and selling vary for gold. It lastly broke above it. It went up moderately considerably. $200 on a $1,350 is a reasonably good transfer given up half of it and it is taken awhile, and other people say, “Ah, that is it.” And it might remark, and naturally you can touch upon my remark as a result of as you already know Mike I speak to lots of the wholesalers and retailers on this market and many of the greater ones as effectively… and I used to be informed by one moderately considerably sized retail seller that they have been getting a 4 to at least one ratio, which means they have been shopping for again from retail, not on the wholesale aspect, about 4 occasions as a lot gold as they have been really placing by means of the door. So, most of this transfer has been primarily based on the larger cash, in different phrases the ETF’s, hedge funds, banks, you already know China, that sort of factor.

Mike Gleason: Yeah, definitely that is much like our expertise as effectively. Undoubtedly form of a skewed to at least one finish there. Effectively we might wish to get your feedback on the division of justice investigation of the bullion banks, they’ve indicted a number of bankers together with six now from JPMorgan. They’ve gotten a couple of responsible pleas and a few of these guys look like cooperating. The DOJ goes to be prosecuting utilizing RICO legal guidelines, which suggests there’s proof which fits past dishonest by a couple of rogue merchants. They’re treating this exercise like organized crime. On one hand we’re skeptical about whether or not the investigation goes to result in actual outcomes. We’ll consider it once we see it on the subject of the federal authorities doing something severe about corruption at main Wall Road banks. The banks just about personal Washington DC, as we noticed in 2008 when large fraud led to precisely zero excessive stage prosecutions and crooked bankers have been handed bailouts as a substitute. Then again although this prosecution does form of seem like it is likely to be going someplace. Do you assume the DOJ is likely to be severe about this investigation?

David Morgan: Oh, I definitely hope so. I agree with you. I imply, I’m on document as having stated there’s going to be one other, you already know, wrist slap and that may be about it. However now that you already know extra are concerned and it looks as if there is a little bit of a pit bull angle, which means that the DOJ hasn’t given up or going away very simply this time. I’m optimistic that could be simply possibly they may really pursue some justice on this case. It stays to be decided. So I am barely optimistic that I may have been mistaken earlier after I stated it would be nothing greater than one other, you already know, wind up everyone after which it is only a wrist slap, pay the advantageous and return to enterprise as standard. It definitely hasn’t modified the buying and selling construction of the COT. That may be one indication to me that the banks are scared that there is going to be some actual effort put forth to this investigation and the prosecution course of. And up to now it has not indicated that.

Mike Gleason: Getting again to metals costs right here, David, the gold to silver ratio has been fairly stubbornly caught within the mid-eighties about 85 to at least one as we’re speaking right here at this time, we noticed it rise up to about 90 to at least one earlier this yr and after a summer time rally it fell. However I do not assume it fairly received under 80 to at least one at any level. Though possibly it did internal day maybe someday over the summer time, I do not recall precisely. So, it looks as if the ratio, like silver, is admittedly caught in a spread. It is between say, 80 and 90 to at least one. So, what do you make of the gold to silver ratio, David?

David Morgan: Effectively, it is traditionally excessive. It has been as excessive as 100 a couple of occasions for the reason that crime, 1873 when silver was actually demonetized. When you’ve gotten silver and gold performing the identical perform, which suggests cash, it is by no means traded above 20 to at least one. So, in case you return to historical Egypt until 1873, mainly, silver had a ratio of 20 ounces of silver to at least one ounce of gold or decrease more often than not, decrease like 12 to at least one 10 to at least one 9 to at least one, that sort of factor, till it turned a commodity solely. And so it actually will depend on how issues on unravel going ahead. And when the financial demand for gold accelerates, it should spill over to the silver market. And as soon as silver is considered extra on a financial foundation for funding foundation, for defense foundation or something that you simply affiliate with defending capital or making capital positive aspects, that is whenever you’ll see the ratio come down.

And I am sure that it’s going to, it is simply exhausting at this time limit when issues have gone on for a very long time. I imply the height in silver was the top of April or early Might 2011 and right here we’re on the yr 2019 and silver has not carried out in addition to gold. Gold’s at a six-year excessive, however silver hit a 3 and a half yr excessive and fell off quickly. So it is robust. I do nonetheless consider within the metals and it is not as a result of I am cussed is as a result of I studied financial historical past so deeply and intensively, and I do know the result forward will not be one which’s very fairly for the fiat system and it is obvious. I imply, in case you simply neglect the whole lot I’ve ever stated concerning the treasured metals, simply look within the panorama of cash because it’s perceived proper now, there’s a lot of various issues happening within the financial system.

Bitcoin might be the prime instance. There’s anyone someplace that stated, “Look, I’ve had sufficient with what the federal government’s management I am going to do that one.” And naturally there have been quite a lot of copycats on the market, however that is what occurs on the finish of the age of not solely impart the top of the age of a forex experiment that has all the time failed prior to now. So, that is an excellent indicator. It would not have to only be gold and silver in its place. They’re all options which are coming to the fore on a regular basis. In fact you’ve gotten treasured metals again cryptos to some extent and you’ve got others which are related to the completely different commodities and you’ve got some which are simply fiat, mainly. They’re simply an edict that claims we’re solely going to make this many. There’s some which are limitless. Nonetheless, the primary level is that there’s a striving to seek out a substitute for the present financial system.

Mike Gleason: Yeah. There definitely one thing that continues to go on beneath the floor on the subject of our financial system and yeah, folks have to be aware of that and acknowledge that not one of the issues of the final eight, 10 years have been resolved to any extent. The truth is, they’ve solely turn into worse. So, I believe once we’re speaking about checking our premises as treasured metals minded of us, we have to hold that in thoughts.

Effectively lastly, David, let’s get to any last feedback that you could be need to depart us with at this time. Maybe one thing that we’ve not coated but. What are you going to be watching most intently or what do you assume folks should be specializing in?

David Morgan: Effectively, as I’ve all the time said, I believe the perfect factor to do, if you’re inclined to grasp the place we’re in our present financial system, it is in all probability very smart to have some treasured metals. And if you wish to transcend that… I imply, I do not actually just like the state after I heard it, but it surely’s completely true…. one in every of these outdated timers, after I spoke to the Society of Mining Engineers very early on on this profession, after my speak a man got here up and stated, “Oh, I’ve all the time made more cash and paper silver than I ever have paid in silver, silver.” And what he meant was not futures, he did not even imply choices. What he meant was the mining equities. And so that is true. I imply, for instance, once we had an excellent run in 2016 and I assumed that the bull market had restarted for the dear metals definitely seemed prefer it on the time, however at turned out I used to be mistaken.

It would’ve been a false begin. I am not going to make an excuse. I used to be mistaken. Nonetheless, it was a really huge ramp up for the metals. We had a silver and gold carried out from January 2016 all the way in which into September after which they began to right. The purpose is the silver made a reasonably good share transfer, however we have traded First Majestic virtually completely throughout that timeframe and through that timeframe it outperformed the metallic like 5 to at least one. So, there are occasions when equities do play part of the portfolio, however they’re for aggressive traders. It isn’t one thing that is an off-the-cuff purchase and maintain sort of scenario. These are risky, excessive beta, which means excessive volatility shares, and also you just about need to know what you are doing to carry out effectively in a portfolio. And once more, it might be a part of an general construction. It would not be simply these shares as a result of they do transfer up and down so quickly.

Mike Gleason: Yeah, you both want to actually know what you are doing and how one can determine and decipher a geologic survey put out by a mining firm otherwise you simply have to get attached with folks like The Morgan Report and allow them to do quite a lot of that evaluation for you, such as you’ve been doing such an excellent job over time. Effectively, great things, David. It is all the time an actual pleasure and we respect your insights as soon as once more. Now earlier than we allow you to go on that notice, let’s inform folks about The Morgan Report and the way they will get on board after which comply with you extra intently.

David Morgan: Certain. Simply go to, our primary web site, give me a primary identify and an e-mail. We’ll put you on the free record. You will get a weekly replace, I name it the Weekly Perspective. I discuss crucial monetary information that you simply in all probability will not discover wherever else. A few of it is mainstream, like a Bloomberg or Reuters or no matter. These are articles dug out that most individuals overlook or haven’t got the time to seek out. After which I often wrap up the top of the phase with some remark or commentary on each gold and silver, and it is a great way to form of catch the, to illustrate, various view of the information. And it is not simply bloggers or something like that. Plenty of stuff is mainstream, however you bought to know the place to look to seek out it. And the primary theme during the last say, a number of months, Mike, has been, there’s actually a contraction within the world economic system.

And the second factor is that we have now a meals scenario that is going to hit everyone right here in all probability within the not too distant future. In all probability throughout the subsequent six months, yr on the most. And that is one thing that will spark the metals as a result of it is fairly exhausting to cover rising meals prices, or rising power value. The 2 issues that People notably take note of is how a lot does it value me to eat? How a lot does it value me to refill my tank of gasoline? And so, I believe that would, I’m not saying would however may, be a catalyst for folks to say, “Why is that this costing me a lot, there should be inflation.” And in a approach it’s, however in different methods it was provide and demand. So, it should be attention-grabbing to see how issues progress throughout these very, very turbulent occasions and I do not need to be overly aggressive on the gloom, doom sort of situation.

Actually there’s much more to life than cash, however nonetheless I believe an opportunity favors the ready thoughts. So, if you’re ready, you may sleep effectively at evening and regardless if I am off by an element of a decade or not… it is one thing, in case you’re my age, you would possibly move on their youngsters… so long as you do not over make investments I believe it is really one of the simplest ways to guard your self financially trigger it is exterior of the present system. And that is a key level that some have stated however in all probability is not emphasised sufficient and the whole lot fails as a thought experiment. As an example for example, the banks go down due to some electrical failure someplace. You’ll be able to all the time go to your trusty cash and there they’re, they usually all the time have worth. So, I will depart it at that Mike.

Mike Gleason: Yeah, very effectively put an excellent abstract there and could not agree extra. Effectively, thanks once more David. I hope you’ve gotten an excellent Thanksgiving and we’ll be catching up with you once more down the highway. Deal with my pal.

David Morgan: All proper, you too. Thanks.

Mike Gleason: Effectively that may do it for this week. Thanks once more to David Morgan, writer of The Morgan Report. To comply with simply go to, it’s also possible to comply with him on Twitter. It is @silverguru22 and if you have not already, seize a replica of his ebook titled Second Chance: How to Make and Keep Big Money During the Coming Gold and Silver Shock Wave, which is on the market at and different locations the place books are offered. You should definitely seize a replica of that at this time after which try and begin getting the great commentaries that David and his crew put on the market on an ongoing foundation.

And do not forget to verify again right here subsequent Friday for our subsequent Weekly Market Wrap Podcast. Till then, this have been Mike Gleason with Money Metals Exchange, thanks for listening and have an excellent weekend everyone.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *